[SOLVED] 64x32 LED matrix Library recommendation ?!


#5

I agree that the SmartMatrix page could do a better job helping people who don’t use the SmartMatrix Shield for teensy. If you use that shield, there are clear instructions, but basically you just plug it in :slight_smile:

For ESP32, I gave you a link of what I wrote which itself points you to

That should be pretty clear wiring-wise, what you need to do.

It’s not a problem with 64x32, or likely 64x64, but once you go beyond that, yes, you’re starting to hit limits.
My page, again, gives details on how to deal with it but I’d say 96x64 is likely a limit for SmartMatrix (actually 128x64 may be possible if you don’t have other code running, like I do). I think another lib could use less RAM, for one, I would be perfectly fine with 16bpp instead of 24bpp

I am not using Wifi yet, but I’ve seen Wifi cause problems with many libraries that use both cores, be it SmartMatrix or FastLED, or others.

A few thoughts

  1. No one is centrally in charge, everyone writes their own bit :slight_smile:
  2. I actually spent many hours writing documentation to try to clear things up for the newcomer.
    https://github.com/marcmerlin/SmartMatrix_GFX goes into details about the multiple libraries out there as well as APIs and basically lets you run all the APIs on top of SmartMatrix
    http://marc.merlins.org/perso/arduino/post_2019-04-01_SmartMatrix_-SmartMatrix-Shield-v4-for-Teensy_-ESP32-shield-with-level-shifter_-and-SmartMatrix_GFX.html gives more details.
    All in all, I spent close to 2 days writing all this up to help people like you.

I see no reason why it shouldn’t work, outside of possible conflicts with Wifi.

Are you using ESP8266 with PxMatrix ? This is because ESP8266 is single core and SPIFFS takes interrupts that stop the RGBPanel refresh.
Either way, I have seen some issues with SPIFFS a while ago and I switched to FatFS.
http://marc.merlins.org/perso/arduino/post_2019-03-30_Using-FatFS-FFat-on-ESP32-Flash-With-Arduino.html but I doubt it will work better on ESP8266. The chip is just too slow and resource constrained.

For ESP32, my patch in https://github.com/espressif/arduino-esp32 was accepted, you can simply select FatFS in the partition type if you use git master

It’s not a question of how many displays, but size of total display.
I expect PxMATRIX to not be great because it’s 6 times slower with its single color wire used for all 6 color components. I’m not sure what its actual limit is, but the refresh rate will be a problem that will make you want not to use it on 64x64 or bigger (IMO)
SmartMatrix can barely reach 128x128 with teensy 3.6 on some displays, and 96x128 on other ones (depends how they are run).
On ESP32, I think the limit is 96x96 or 128x64 but I haven’t tried past 96x64.


#6

@marcmerlin

OMG, great answer, thank you ! I have a lot of reading to do.

I am using a ESP32 Wrover-B DevKitV4.

I am dependent on SPIFFS. Learning to use another file system and also implementing it in my project will take too much time. It will be like starting all over and I don’t really have time left for that. I should’ve finished this project a long time ago.

This is how I serve web-pages from SPIFFS using ESPAsyncWebServer:

  server.on("/url", HTTP_GET, [](AsyncWebServerRequest *request){
    request->send(SPIFFS, "/url_page.html", "text/html");
  });
  server.on("/jquery-1.12.4.min.js", HTTP_GET, [](AsyncWebServerRequest* request){
    request->send(SPIFFS, "/jquery-1.12.4.min.js", "text/javascript");
  });
  server.on("/style_url.css",HTTP_GET, [](AsyncWebServerRequest *request){
    request->send(SPIFFS, "/style_url.css", "text/css");
  });
  server.on("/master.css", HTTP_GET, [](AsyncWebServerRequest *request) {
    request->send(SPIFFS, "/master.css", "text/css");
  });
  server.on("/back-image.jpg", HTTP_GET, [](AsyncWebServerRequest *request) {
    request->send(SPIFFS, "/back-image.jpg", "image/jpeg");
  });
  server.on("/logo.png", HTTP_GET, [](AsyncWebServerRequest *request) {
    request->send(SPIFFS, "/logo.png", "image/png");
  });	

I don’t know if ESPAsyncWebServer will be able to do this with FatFS.
Also, I am using Arduino IDE and/or Platformio IDE, not esptool and I don’t know what changing to FatFS implies.

You’re saying that 128x64 is the absolute limit of the ESP32 when using SmartMatrix. But how do people use those 2 meters long LED Matrixes outside their shops ? (This is for another project)


#7

FatFS is meant to work like SPIFFS API-wise, it took me very little work to switch. That said, forget about switching to FatFS for now, worry about other issues first. SPIFFS may just work well enough on ESP32 for you (when it doesn’t on the single core ESP8266)

I use the arduino IDE too, I only used esptool once to upload my FatFS filesystem.
See https://github.com/marcmerlin/AnimatedGIFs/blob/master/Makefile

I didn’t test it, but that’s my understanding. SmartMatrix is very memory hungry. It uses 6 times the size of the framebuffer due to how it does things.

They use FPGA based solutions. That said a Raspberry Pi should also do the job.
https://github.com/hzeller/rpi-rgb-led-matrix is what I’m looking at next given the lack of drivers for newer panels in SmartMatrix and the size limits.


#8

There are still some things that I don’t get:

#elif (GPIOPINOUT == ESP32_FORUM_PINOUT)

    #pragma message "ESP32 forum wiring"

    // ADDX is output directly using GPIO
    #define CLKS_DURING_LATCH   0 
    #define MATRIX_I2S_MODE I2S_PARALLEL_BITS_16
    #define MATRIX_DATA_STORAGE_TYPE uint16_t

This is the one I should use right ?

It says: #define MATRIX_DATA_STORAGE_TYPE uint16_t, but in the ReadMe it’s:

With the addition of the external latch, there are only 8 bits of data to output via I2S, and so each clock cycle’s data fits into a uint8_t instead of uint16_t. With the I2S peripheral in 8-bit mode instead of 16-bit mode, the amount of RAM used to store refresh buffers is cut in half

In this case which one is it: uint8_t or uint16_t ?

Aso, there are pins that I can’t use, like 0 (This is the BOOT button, you can’t put a wire to it),12(this is a bootstrap pin) ,16,17( these two aren’t accessible on my Wrover-B).
I only have 14 pins available.
Can I change the pins to other GPIO ? Can I make my own wiring ?

I’ve ended up changing all GPIO inside #elif (GPIOPINOUT == ESP32_FORUM_PINOUT) as follows :

    #define R1_PIN  25
    #define G1_PIN  5
    #define B1_PIN  26
    #define R2_PIN  27
    #define G2_PIN  23
    #define B2_PIN  14

    #define A_PIN   13
    #define B_PIN   21
    #define C_PIN   18
    #define D_PIN   19
    #define E_PIN   22
    #define LAT_PIN 15
    #define OE_PIN  4

    #define CLK_PIN 2

I hope it’s ok. I also removed MatrixHardware_KitV1.h and MatrixHardware_KitV4.h from src folder.

What are these ?

    #define GPIO_PWM0A_OUT GPIO_NUM_32
    #define GPIO_SYNC0_IN  GPIO_NUM_34

Are these wires ?

I also don’t know what’s ADDX, I Googled it and apparently it’s a DJ…

Also, @marcmerlin, your blog appears to be down. I couldn’t reach it today at all.

ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT

EDIT :

const uint8_t kPanelType = SMARTMATRIX_HUB75_32ROW_MOD16SCAN;   // use SMARTMATRIX_HUB75_16ROW_MOD8SCAN for common 16x32 panels

Is there any kPanelType option for 64x32 with 1/8 scan display ?

Answer: there isn’t ! I need to make one, but only God understands these instructions: https://github.com/pixelmatix/SmartMatrix/blob/teensylc/examples/MultiRowRefreshMapping/MultiRowRefreshMapping.ino

I’ve put the library in Arduino and it compiles, but it asks me to update it to 3.2 and I have no idea if 3.2 will work on a ESP32.
I’ve put this library in PlatformIO and it does not compile :

In file included from .piolibdeps/SmartMatrix3/src/SmartMatrix3.h:175:0,
from src/main.cpp:15:
.piolibdeps/SmartMatrix3/src/SmartMatrix_Impl.h:26:24: fatal error: DMAChannel.h: No such file or directory

#9

I use the ESP32_JC_RIBBON_PINOUT because that’s what my shield has, but doesn’t matter which one you pick as long as you wire accordingly.

you don’t need to change that if you’re doing direct wiring without latch, which is what I did.

yes you can use other pins or use ESP32_JC_RIBBON_PINOUT

I don’t know, didn’t touch that. I just defined the 14 wires I needed in ESP32_JC_RIBBON_PINOUT and wired them.

The datacenter was down a few hours while I was sleeping apparently, but it came back before I woke up.

can’t help with that bit, sorry. I’d say don’t worry about that for now and see whether you get any output at all. If you do, you can fix the panel type.

No idea what library you’re talking about, I don’t use platformIO, I just use the arduino env with esp32-arduino from git master

Not sure about this. I can see it’s included in my source too, and it’s not provided by anything but teensyduino which should not be visible when I’m compiling for ESP32.
Honestly I have no idea how this one works. @Louis may be able to help.


#10

Seems like the released Teensy-only version of the SmartMatrix library is being compiled. Try removing it


#11

@Louis, see https://github.com/pixelmatix/SmartMatrix/blob/teensylc/src/SmartMatrixAPA102RefreshEsp32_Impl.h#L26
this seems wrong in an Esp32_Impl file.

@GeorgeFlorian you are however getting this error in SmartMatrix_Impl.h which shows that you are likely using the master branch which does not support ESP32, instead of the teensylc branch which does support ESP32.


#12

Maybe that’s the problem ! The library that I’ve used in Arduino IDE is SmartMatrix-teensylc.
The problem with Platformio IDE is that I’ve referenced the link to the library https://github.com/pixelmatix/SmartMatrix.git which is the same for all the branches and probably it links the master branch.

But it’s beside the point.

My main problem is that I have no idea how to use this library with my display.

@marcmerlin, @Louis
Please take a look at this post. This is what’s actually important ! I’ve posted a video and a lot of details of what my issues are.

I would really love an answer there.

Please ! Thank you !


#13

I saw your other post. There are several panel types that aren’t supported by SmartMatrix yet and Louis hasn’t had time to add support for them, but does accept pull requests.
That said, it sounds like the panel you mention should at least light up somewhat, but not completely.
I would recommend you get at least the panel to light up first (use the arduino platform first and once that works you can try switching back to platformio), and then worry about the panel details.


#14

It does light up. As shown in the video, while running MultiRowRefreshMapping
I’ve also tried FastLED_Functions.ino. The image is split in 4. It’s like a puzzle that doesn’t match.


#15

Sorry, I missed that part (many Emails and replies to deal with).
Ok, so you got the compile working and ESP32 wiring working.
So now you’re indeed left with a mapping issue.
I’ll be honest with you, from what I’ve seen in the last 6 months here, @Louis doesn’t have a lot of spare time, especially to work on panels he doesn’t own.
So, your 3 reasonable options are

  1. look at his post on supporting other mappings that he made https://github.com/pixelmatix/SmartMatrix/blob/teensylc/examples/MultiRowRefreshMapping/32x16-MOD4-panel-map.jpg for and figure out the code needed for your panels
  2. send him a panel and money to have him do it for you (as contract work basically), or find someone else here willing/able to do it
  3. switch to rPi and https://github.com/hzeller/rpi-rgb-led-matrix which is more likely to support your panel

#16

@marcmerlin

I am sorry that I’ve been insisting / obsessing over this, but it’s my internship project and it would help me a lot to finish it.
You’ve been of great help and I am really grateful for that.

I’ve been trying to decipher that for the past couple of days, but I had no luck. There are a lot of things I don’t understand.

I don’t think I can do that…

I’ve just learned a few things on ESP32. I had no previous experience with programming on other micro-controllers. Getting a new micro-controller to code on will mean to start the project all over and I can’t do that. The thing is that my project is not only about being able to control a LED Display. It has to do a lot more. I’ve explained this in my other post.

The only option available to me is to get a new display that actually works with this library.

Is there a list of “officially” supported LED Displays/Matrixes ?


#17

Yes, getting a new panel would be a lot simpler indeed.
Having an exact list of supported panels is hard because chinese vendors change them all the time without changing the description.
You can know for sure that the ones from adafruit and sparkfun will work, but they cost a fair amount more, there.
I bought this one, but it’s already out of stock: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F2JW8D3?tag=bizzi0d-20
Then I have these on my shirt but they’ll take 2 weeks to ship from china: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F87CM6Y?tag=bizzi0d-20

You can look amazon for other ones an read the comments.
Basically if it works with the adafruit library, it’ll work with SmartMatrix (SmartMatrix supports more than adafruit)


#18

So only 64x32 with 1/16 and 32x16 with 1/8 are supported ?

kPanelType = SMARTMATRIX_HUB75_32ROW_MOD16SCAN;   // use SMARTMATRIX_HUB75_16ROW_MOD8SCAN for common 16x32 panels

#19

See


kPanelType = SMARTMATRIX_HUB75_32ROW_MOD16SCAN
works on most panels.

You set the size with
const uint8_t kMatrixWidth = 32; // known working: 32, 64, 96, 128
const uint8_t kMatrixHeight = 32; // known working: 16, 32, 48, 64

The 3 panel types are here AFAIK


#20

So only 64x32 with 1/16 ,32x16 with 1/8 and 128x64 1/32 are supported ?

#define SMARTMATRIX_HUB75_32ROW_MOD16SCAN   0
#define SMARTMATRIX_HUB75_16ROW_MOD8SCAN    1
#define SMARTMATRIX_HUB75_64ROW_MOD32SCAN   2

And there is no way to define your own scan pattern ?

I assume that this panel has 1/16 scan, right ?


#21

If you need extra scan patterns, you have to define them with code.
Almost all 64x32 panels are 16 row scans, while the 64x64 panels tend to be 32 row scan (E address needed).
The old 32x16 panels are typically 16 row scan
That said, there are exceptions given that panel makers can do anything they want (sadly)


#22

I’ve tried doing that and I don’t understand what to do even when looking at MultiRowRefreshMapping.

Well, that’s too bad, because my panel is 64x32 with 1/8.


#23

I can’t tell you how to define your own mapping, I never had to do it myself, and honestly would just avoid panels that require yet another mapping (given that I’d rather spend my time on other things).
Indeed your quickest route is to get other panels as already discussed.
Good luck with your project


#24

@marcmerlin

Thanks, mate ! Really, thank you ! You’ve been of great help !

If I end up making my own mapping, I will post it here and/or make a pull request on GitHub.

If I end up getting other panels I will post my finished project here as well.

Thank you again and have a nice day !